User talk:AFBorchert

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• File:Saint-Lô d'Ourville Église Saint-Lô Baie 0 Verrière du Calvair 2022 08 22.jpg

Yours sincerely, Adamant1 (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamant1: Seriously? This is a window from 1540 where the restorations are covered by {{FoP-France}}. Please have a look at the file description. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 07:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The file has a category for the stained glass artist Paul Bony who clearly wasn't around in 1540 because he died in 1982. So either the file description or category is wrong. I don't really care which, but they can't both be right and I couldn't find any indication anywhere about who the original artist was or what exactly he has to do with it. So at least IMO we should defer to COM:PCP unless you know the details and just didn't include them or something. "restored and completed" is also pretty ambigious. "Completed" could mean anything from Paul Bony adding their own elements to recreating an original drawing or something. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I didn't see your comment in the DR before I wrote the last message. I'd prefer if you responed to it there though. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) @Adamant1: Please make yourself familiar with COM:DM France and COM:FOP France. Both are referenced to in the image description. Quote:

French case law admits an exception if the copyrighted artwork is "accessory compared to the main represented or handled subject" (CA Paris, 27 octobre 1992, Antenne 2 c/ société Spadem, « la représentation d'une œuvre située dans un lieu public n'est licite que lorsqu'elle est accessoire par rapport au sujet principal représenté ou traité »). Thus ruling #567 of March 15, 2005 of the Court of Cassation denied the right of producers of works of arts installed in a public plaza over photographs of the whole plaza.

See, for example, File:Louvre at night centered.jpg. --AFBorchert (talk) 07:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe its because I'm from the United States but ""accessory compared to the main represented or handled subject" doesn't sound like a completed window would qualify for that part of the law since the window is "an accessory to the main subject" of the image or artwork ts the actual subject. Especially since we don't how much of it was complete before it was finished by Paul Bony or what he added. Like if someone draws the rough outline of a person and I then "complete" it by filling the person in and drawing a room around them I haven't an "accessory to the main subject" at that point. Otherwise shared works wouldn't a thing. The copyright would just default to whomever drew the first line of hair or whatever. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is mainly a window from 1540, nearly 500 years ago. Stained glass windows do not stay in prime condition for these extended periods of time. You constantly need careful restorations and when there is a part missing it needs to be replaced. This has been done here by Paul Bony but the main artist is from the 16th century. We do know exactly what in this window is original and what not. The relevant literature is cited in the file description: Martine Callias Bey and Véronique David: Les vitraux de Basse-Normandie, ISBN 2-84706-240-8, pp. 165–166. Regards, --AFBorchert (talk) 07:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Könntest du als Admin bitte hier einmal schauen, ich habe auch Raymond gefragt. Ich habe lediglich eine simple Perspektivkorrektur vorgenommen und hier betreibt jemand Editwar gegen mich. [1] und File:St. Vinzentius (Oberaußem) (1).jpg, danke --Chris06 (talk) 13:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Chris06, normalerweise sehe ich es mir gerne zeitnah an. Momentan bin ich aber arbeitsmäßig hoffnungslos überlastet, so dass ich nicht einmal abschätzen kann, wann ich mir das ansehen könnte. Sorry! Viele Grüße, AFBorchert (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danke dir für die kurze Rückmeldung! --Chris06 (talk) 13:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]