Requirement for developer to state reason for discussion comment removal
Shouldn't it be appropriate that when a developer flags a discussion post for removal that they provide information specific as to which rule has been violated?

That way there is no guessing as to what may have crossed the line, if anything at all, and makes it easier for customers to appeal such a removal as 'being snarky to the dev' currently isn't a listed offense, but a developer could flag a post for such sentiment.
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Per Steam policy, developers may ban for no reason. They themselves are also not subject to Steam rules.

So it may be less than useful for you, devs have no requirement to even have rules for banning.
Ultimately the developer has full control over their forums. They're not going to need to prove or justify it to you or Valve.
I can promise you Valve has absolutely no interest in policing game forums. They probably don't even enjoy policing this forum. If you want to talk about a game without censorship create a reddit forum, or post on twitter.
Reply to the ban if you're so inclined.

Posts are removed, generally speaking, for breaking the rules

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810
Originally posted by Intel i740:
Ultimately the developer has full control over their forums. They're not going to need to prove or justify it to you or Valve.

They're Valves forums, so it's up to Valve how much control the developers ultimately have. And I think it's only fair that if they're removing a post they state why when it's not glaring obvious.
Originally posted by Satoru:
Reply to the ban if you're so inclined.

Posts are removed, generally speaking, for breaking the rules

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

I did reply, and I still don't an answer as to what rule I broke, other than I questioned their commitment to their customers.
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:
Ultimately the developer has full control over their forums. They're not going to need to prove or justify it to you or Valve.

They're Valves forums, so it's up to Valve how much control the developers ultimately have. And I think it's only fair that if they're removing a post they state why when it's not glaring obvious.

What are you going to do when they state "because I wanted to" in every post they remove? The next thing you will want is Steam to do some sort of policing action, which they VERY much have no interest in doing. Your idea solves nothing, steam would sooner delete all game forums then to police them.

Like I said, if you want freedom post on twitter or create a subreddit. No one on steam is obligated to allow freedom of expression.
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:
Ultimately the developer has full control over their forums. They're not going to need to prove or justify it to you or Valve.

They're Valves forums, so it's up to Valve how much control the developers ultimately have. And I think it's only fair that if they're removing a post they state why when it's not glaring obvious.

Ok, and Valve decided decades ago the developers have full control over their forums.

It's great that you have differing opinions, but your alternative reality fantasy focusing on what Valve "could do" while ignoring what Valve has done, gets you what?

Last edited by Intel i740; Apr 1 @ 1:50pm
Originally posted by Intel i740:
Originally posted by steelwraith:

They're Valves forums, so it's up to Valve how much control the developers ultimately have. And I think it's only fair that if they're removing a post they state why when it's not glaring obvious.

Ok, and Valve decided decades ago the developers have full control over their forums.

It's great that you have differing opinions, go start your own game store and big dog developers until you go bankrupt.

There's nothing to say that Valve can't modify that decision to be more consumer focused. And if you don't care why are you bothering to post?
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:

Ok, and Valve decided decades ago the developers have full control over their forums.

It's great that you have differing opinions, go start your own game store and big dog developers until you go bankrupt.

There's nothing to say that Valve can't modify that decision to be more consumer focused. And if you don't care why are you bothering to post?

Let's talk when it happens. Wishful thinking, what-ifs, maybes don't really matter. What's the status quo today?

And for perspective see every other user who's made the same suggestions and arguments for decades. Nothing they argued has mattered and I somehow doubt you're the chosen one of malcontent legend. But good luck!
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:

Ok, and Valve decided decades ago the developers have full control over their forums.

It's great that you have differing opinions, go start your own game store and big dog developers until you go bankrupt.

There's nothing to say that Valve can't modify that decision to be more consumer focused. And if you don't care why are you bothering to post?

The publishers and developers who pay for a store front and forums hub, are also customers. Their section, there rules. you will never get an exact reason, that would allow users to tread on the line. follow the forum rules and the code of conduct and you will be good.
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:

Ok, and Valve decided decades ago the developers have full control over their forums.

It's great that you have differing opinions, go start your own game store and big dog developers until you go bankrupt.

There's nothing to say that Valve can't modify that decision to be more consumer focused. And if you don't care why are you bothering to post?


if i have a post removed and do not get told why

i assume it is either connected to a post that was removed

in which case it would not hurt to see something explaining that (if it is not too hard to do)

or, if that is not the case, that i am getting a soft warning

meaning that i am being told to chill without getting dinged officially

if that is the case, i prefer it this way
Originally posted by steelwraith:
Originally posted by Intel i740:
Ultimately the developer has full control over their forums. They're not going to need to prove or justify it to you or Valve.

They're Valves forums, so it's up to Valve how much control the developers ultimately have.

This is true, thus why the developers are able to run their forum as they please, Valve has allowed that.
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
They themselves are also not subject to Steam rules.

Developers are subject to the Discussion Rules and Guidelines:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

There are many shared spaces on Steam where players can engage in public discussion. In addition to the online conduct rules, players and developers should adhere to the following guidelines to ensure that these shared places remain constructive and respectful:
Originally posted by Nx Machina:
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
They themselves are also not subject to Steam rules.

Developers are subject to the Discussion Rules and Guidelines:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

There are many shared spaces on Steam where players can engage in public discussion. In addition to the online conduct rules, players and developers should adhere to the following guidelines to ensure that these shared places remain constructive and respectful:

Except that Steam has stated to me in regards to a current ticket I have open that they currently are not overriding developer decisions to flag comments, even though it would be in the best interests of the developers to do follow the rules.

Effectively there currently is no mechanism to force developers to follow the rules, which is why I've made the request for additional feedback from the developers as to why they are flagging a comment.
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